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« Reply #30 on: 2004-04-28, 21:16:00 »

Posted by: avi
         
Interestingly, I noticed today a use of the shifted furtive patah outside the realm of Biblical texts. The 16th century grammarian Shabbetai Sofer compiled an edition of the Jewish liturgy, containing corrections regarding grammatical errors which had fallen into the text; and, he took the opportunity to add in symbols to enforce proper reading of the liturgical text. These latter symbols included Rafe marks on top of letters without a dagesh kal; metegim to indicate proper accentuation; and, finally, it included the shifting over of the furtive patah to correct what he claims was rampant mispronunciation.  The siddur was recently reprinted as a modern edition (Baltimore, 1987, ed. R. Yitchaz Setz), and the publisher duly replicated all of these items, including the shift in the furtive patah.
 
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« Reply #31 on: 2004-04-29, 07:17:00 »

Posted by: Aaron0327
         

Regarding the connection between the shifted
position of the patach and rampant mispronunciation --  I'm not sure that
they're really all that connected (meaning, for example, many speakers of
modern Hebrew will continue to pronounce the masculine adjectival form
gavoha instead of the correct gavoah, and in so doing confuse
the masculine and feminine forms), but shifting the patach will certainly be
advantageous in teaching correct pronunciation.

Aaron


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Interestingly, I noticed today a use of the shifted furtive
                patah outside the realm of Biblical texts. The 16th century
                grammarian Shabbetai Sofer compiled an edition of the Jewish
                liturgy, containing corrections regarding grammatical errors
                which had fallen into the text; and, he took the opportunity to
                add in symbols to enforce proper reading of the liturgical text.
                These latter symbols included Rafe marks on top of
                letters without a dagesh kal; metegim to
                indicate proper accentuation; and, finally, it included the
                shifting over of the furtive patah to correct what he claims was
                rampant mispronunciation.  The siddur was recently
                reprinted as a modern edition (Baltimore, 1987, ed. R. Yitchaz
                Setz), and the publisher duly replicated all of these items,
                including the shift in the furtive patah.

 

- Avi

 

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« Reply #32 on: 2004-04-30, 03:54:00 »

Posted by: twuandy
         
In Ochla w'Ochla edition s. Frensdorff, 1864 repr. KTAV, NY 1972 on page 52
#44 is the Masora Magna: 11 pairs of words - once mappik he and once not
mappiq he, each pair is a hapax legomenon.  At the bottom is a twelfth pair
labelled "and one levad memsorta", which I don't really understand.  The
pair there is Prov 9:2/ Psalms 44:23.  The other pairs are Prov 31:10/ Gen
25:31; Lev 13:20 and 4; Lev 18:23 and 20:16; Zeph 3:7/ Deut 33:27; Gen
40:10/ Isa 18:5, Isa 23:18 and 23:17; Nah 2:14/ Ez 27:20; Zach 9:4/ Psalms
48:14; Isa 28:4/ Hos 9:10; Prov 5:3/ Job 32:4; Job 28:13 and 33:5.
Andy

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