Masora dot vs. Masora circle

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Posted by: Joel_Salomon
         
Slightly off-topic, but I figure someone here might know the answer:

Reading throught the SBL Hebrew docs, I noticed that a mark called the
"masora dot" is encoded as U+0307: Combining Dot Above and a distinct
symbol U+5AF: Hebrew Mark Masora Circle exists.

I only ever recall seeing one mark used (as a sort of footnote
indicator) to point to a masora note in any given text.  Is there a
text that uses both, and what for?

--Joel

         

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
The masora circle is used in the text to indicate that a masora note exists for this word. The masora dot is used in the masora note itself. Honestly, I don't understand what the dot indicates in this context: I just needed to provide a consistent an unambiguous encoding for it. If you take a look at e.g. the BHS print edition, you will see that quite a lot of the letters in the masora notes have dots above them. U+0307 is used to encode this.
         

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Posted by: EmpiricalHumanist
         
The masora dot is used to indicate that the letter, e.g., bet, is the number "2" and not an abbreviation of some kind. The frequently seen lamed plus dot is the massoretic "zero"; actually it is the aramaic "la" meaning "not" and usually means "the spelling of this word is unique."

Hope this helps,

Kirk Lowery
         

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Posted by: Joel_Salomon
         
On 8/8/07, John Hudson wrote:
> The masora circle is used in the text to indicate that a masora note exists for
> this word. The masora dot is used in the masora note itself.

On 8/9/07, Kirk Lowery wrote:
> The masora dot is used to indicate that the letter, e.g., bet, is the number "2"
> and not an abbreviation of some kind. The frequently seen lamed plus dot is
> the massoretic "zero"; actually it is the aramaic "la" meaning "not" and usually
> means "the spelling of this word is unique."

Thanks, John & Kirk.

--Joel

         

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From:                 Joel_Salomon On 8/8/07, John Hudson wrote: > The masora circle is used in the text to indicate that a masora note exists for > this word. The masora dot is used in the masora note itself. On 8/9/07, Kirk Lowery wrote: > The masora dot is used to indicate that the letter, e.g., bet, is the number "2" > and not an abbreviation of some kind. The frequently seen lamed plus dot is > the massoretic "zero"; actually it is the aramaic "la" meaning "not" and usually > means "the spelling of this word is unique." Thanks, John & Kirk. --Joel

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In addition to the usages described by John and Kirk, dots are used in
the running biblical text in ten instances in the Tanakh. In all cases
they are supralinear and in on case (Ps 27:3) the dots are also
sublinear. Supralinear dots are sometimes use in other manuscripts as
cancellation dots, e.g. 1QIsa_a, etc.



Harold P. Scanlin


         

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
Harold, the dots you describe are the puncta extraordinaria, which have their own Unicode codepoints, distinct from the number/masora dot. These are

U+05C4 upper punctum
U+05C5 lower punctum

(Note: Ps 27:13, not Ps 27:3)

The puncta are positioned further from the letters than the number/masora dot, and are typically larger. They may also have a different shape: in SBL Hebrew they are diamond-shaped, while the number/masora dot is round.
         

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