Hebrew font installation woes

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Posted by: ethan
         

Help!   I am trying in vain to install the SBL Hebrew fonts on my desktop computer.  Here is the issue... it uses Windows XP, the font is "installed," but prints only nonsense syllables when I switch the keyboard language to Hebrew.  There is a program called Tavultesoft Keyman installed on my computer which I think is getting in the way.  I tried to uninstall it, but it still pops up when I start Microsoft Word.  When I go to regional and language settings and click Details, and then try to add a keyboard for Hebrew, the keyboard that pops up is always "Hebrew."  When I try to choose the Biblical Hebrew SIL option for the keyboard of choice from the menu, it registers, but then is replaced by "Hebrew" the next time I go back.

 

Has anyone else had similar issues?  Chris Hooker from SBL suspects that Tavultesoft or something else is somehow not able to be deleted which is getting in the way of the Biblical Hebrew SIL keyboard's being installed.

 

Many thanks!

         

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
You should be able to run Tavultesoft Keyman keyboards and Windows system keyboards such as the SIL keyboard side-by-side without any problems. The keyboard listed as simply 'Hebrew' is likely the Microsoft standard Hebrew keyboard (which implements the modern Israeli layout, without cantillation makrs). You can uninstall this and use only the SIL keyboard if you like, or you can have both installed and switch between them using the Windows language bar.

If you right-click on the two-letter keyboard selector in your taskbar, and choose the 'Restore the language bar' option, this will place a small toolbar near the top of your screen. In this language bar you can select the input language, as you can from the shortcut on the taskbar, but it will also reveal an extra button if you have more than one keyboard installed for a single language. The button icon looks like a little keyboard, and if you left click on it it will show you the keyboards associated with this language and you can select the one you want to use.

If you only want to have one keyboard installed for Hebrew, e.g. the SIL keyboard, left-click the little down-pointing arrow on the right side of the language bar (Options) and select 'Settings'. This will open the 'Text services and input languages' dialogue, which shows what languages and keyboards are currently installed. In the 'Installed services' section, scroll down the list of languages and keyboards to find the 'HE Hebrew' entry. My guess is that you will either see two keyboards associated with the Hebrew language:

- Hebrew
- Biblical Hebrew (SIL)

or just the default Windows Hebrew keyboard

- Hebrew

and if Keyman is installed on your system you will probably see an additional entry

- Tavultesoft Keyman Desktop TSF Addin

You can ignore this last entry: it is not actually a keyboard, just a helper file that Keyman uses to plug in to the system.*

What you want to do, if you only want to run the SIL keyboard, is to remove the 'Hebrew' keyboard. Select it from the list and click the Remove button. If both this keyboard and the SIL keyboard were installed, then you should be left with just the SIL keyboard (and the Keyman add-in reference, which you can ignore).

If only the 'Hebrew' keyboard was installed, then you will need to add the SIL keyboard. To do this, click the Add... button to open the 'Add input language' dialogue. Select Hebrew from the dropdown list of input languages. Then select 'Biblical Hebrew (SIL)' from the list of keyboard layouts; note that this list is alphabetical, so the keyboard is under B for Biblical not H for Hebrew.

Remember to click OK to approve the selections and exit each of the dialogues in turn.

*As you may have discovered, you can't delete the Keyman add-in from within the text services dialogue. If you want to completely uninstall Keyman from your system, then you have to do so via the Control Panel 'Add/Remove Programs' tool. But as I noted above, there should be no problem running both Keyman and system keyboards side-by-side.
         

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Posted by: twuandy
         

Contact Marc Dudin at sales@tavultesoft.com, and describe your problem!

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From: ethan Help!   I am trying in vain to install the SBL Hebrew fonts on my desktop computer.  Here is the issue... it uses Windows XP, the font is "installed," but prints only nonsense syllables when I switch the keyboard language to Hebrew.  There is a program called Tavultesoft Keyman installed on my computer which I think is getting in the way.  I tried to uninstall it, but it still pops up when I start Microsoft Word.  When I go to regional and language settings and click Details, and then try to add a keyboard for Hebrew, the keyboard that pops up is always "Hebrew."  When I try to choose the Biblical Hebrew SIL option for the keyboard of choice from the menu, it registers, but then is replaced by "Hebrew" the next time I go back.   Has anyone else had similar issues?  Chris Hooker from SBL suspects that Tavultesoft or something else is somehow not able to be deleted which is getting in the way of the Biblical Hebrew SIL keyboard's being installed.   Many thanks!

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Thanks very much for your reply... unfortunately, it is still not working.  When I go to the Installed Services section, Hebrew is listed there and the only keyboard listed for it is Biblical Hebrew SIL... yet when I click on Add New, when Hebrew is in the box, the keyboard appears to have been automatically reset to "Hebrew."  Every time I try to switch it, this happens again.  Then I go to Microsoft Word, switch the keyboard language to Hebrew, switch the font to SBL Hebrew... and I get nonsense syllables.  This is so frustrating... there is clearly some setting buried deep in the computer that is preventing this keyboard from being successfully installed.

         

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As an addendum to my previous reply... I did a test and found that when I e-mailed a document containing the font from another computer, the font DID show up... however, I couldn't do any more typing in that font and still got the gobbledygook, even when I went right into the middle of a word and tried to add characters.  So, it is clearly a problem with getting the keyboard to set up, not with the font showing up.

         

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Posted by: GfSomsel
         

Do you have an appropriate keyboard file (not the program itself)?

http://tinyurl.com/2wwqay

 

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From: ethan As an addendum to my previous reply... I did a test and found that when I e-mailed a document containing the font from another computer, the font DID show up... however, I couldn't do any more typing in that font and still got the gobbledygook, even when I went right into the middle of a word and tried to add characters.  So, it is clearly a problem with getting the keyboard to set up, not with the font showing up.

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Posted by: dapenguin503
         
OK;

Is it possible that you are working with the wrong version of the font?  The 'HE' keyboard is for unicode in all versions since Win2K and MSoff 2K.  the SBL keyboard is for the older, non-unicode, versions of the font.  Mixing the 2 types will produce garbage.

I suggest you find out if you have such a problem.  Which version of the font do you have and what level.  Is the uniscribe dll at the appropriate level if you are  doing the unicode version.  What is your OS and Off versions?

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On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:45 AM, ethan wrote:

As an addendum to my previous reply... I did a test and found that when I e-mailed a document containing the font from another computer, the font DID show up... however, I couldn't do any more typing in that font and still got the gobbledygook, even when I went right into the middle of a word and tried to add characters.  So, it is clearly a problem with getting the keyboard to set up, not with the font showing up.

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Posted by: ethan
         

The OS is Windows XP.  I doubt this is the problem since I performed the exact same download with the same keyboard and font on another computer and got it to work.

         

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
"The SBL keyboard is for the older, non-unicode, versions of the font."

I don't understand this comment. What font? What SBL keyboard?

If we're talking about the 'SBL Hebrew' font, then there has only ever been a Unicode version. SBL makes available two standard Windows keyboard drivers (with installers) for use with this font:

Biblical Hebrew (SIL)
Biblical Hebrew (Tiro)

These are both Unicode keyboards. They use different layouts, but are capable of inputting the same characters.

Microsoft makes available a third Unicode Hebrew system keyboard, called simply:

Hebrew

This follows the same layout for letters as the Tiro keyboard from SBL (based on the Israeli touchtype layout) but unlike the keyboards from SBL it does not support cantillation marks.
         

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Posted by: bdscha
         
I had a similar issue (I think). I finally found its cause, and a partial work-around.

History - [1] I installed the SIL keyboard and SBL fonts (as directed) and could type in Hebrew and English without problem (changed Word's Normal.dot to use SBL Hebrew as Complex Script font). [2] But then I installed the Meltho Syriac fonts and phonetic keyboard (so I had 3 languages enabled.) After the Syriac install, the first time I typed in Hebrew it would be in SBL Hebrew, but thereafter it would change to MS Word's default Hebrew font. [3] I uninstalled the Syriac keyboard, and the problem disappeared.

To say, try disabling/uninstalling other keyboards. You may find a conflict with another keyboard. (I'm running Office XP and WinXP Professional - both with the latest updates.)
         

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
Can you take a screen capture image of the 'gobbledygook' and either post it to the forum or send it to me at tiro[at]tiro[dot]com ?

It would be helpful to be able to see exactly what you are looking at when the problem is evident.
         

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