Greek font

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Posted by: Midres1
         

Hi.

Question to John Hudson:
Is the group going to get a glance
at the new Greek font soon?

Dieter
Mitternacht

         

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
Yes. The design of the Greek font is complete, as is most of the OpenType Layout table work and the hinting for low resolution. I'm about halfway through the kerning (adjustments of interletter spacing), but am currently diverted by the more complicated revisions to the Hebrew font.

In the meantime, you can 'get a glance' the design in the relevant slides from my SBL conference presentation, which I have put online here:

http://www.tiro.com/John/SBLGreekSlides.pdf
         

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Posted by: Midres1
         

Thank you. The Greek looks very
good!

One additional question, if I may.
Is the final font going to be a complete Unicode font that includes Latin,
Greek, Hebrew etc? And if yes, how will the latin characters look? Roman,
Garamond ...? I am presently using Gentium and am very pleased with how Greek
and Latin characters combine  estetically.

Dieter

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Yes. The design of the Greek
  font is complete, as is most of the OpenType Layout table work and the hinting
  for low resolution. I'm about halfway through the kerning (adjustments of
  interletter spacing), but am currently diverted by the more complicated
  revisions to the Hebrew font.

In the meantime, you can 'get a glance'
  the design in the relevant slides from my SBL conference presentation, which I
  have put online here:

http://www.tiro.com/John/SBLGreekSlides.pdf

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Posted by: James18343
         
Looks good.
In the James specimen, stigma is used for sigma-tau. Presumably that can
be turned off somehow.
James Ernest

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From: John Hudson [mailto:tiro@tiro.com]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Greek font


Yes. The design of the Greek font is complete, as is most of the
OpenType Layout table work and the hinting for low resolution. I'm about
halfway through the kerning (adjustments of interletter spacing), but am
currently diverted by the more complicated revisions to the Hebrew font.

In the meantime, you can 'get a glance' the design in the relevant
slides from my SBL conference presentation, which I have put online
here:

http://www.tiro.com/John/SBLGreekSlides.pdf


         

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
James, well spotted. The stigma ligature was an error in the slide, which I left in to see how many people would spot. Perhaps having it appear in Christos makes it particularly obvious, as it seems to be one of the first things people notice. This is not the default behaviour, and the stigma ligature is relegated to the OpenType Layout 'discretionary ligatures' feature.
         

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
Dieter, there will three fonts:

SBL Hebrew
SBL Greek
SBL BibLit

The last of these is a superset containing the Hebrew and Greek along with the Latin, critical apparatus sigla, etc. The reason why the separate Hebrew and Greek fonts are also available, and recommended for most text setting in those languages, is that there is very limited application support for language-specific glyph substitution. There are some common Unicode combining mark characters that are used in more than one script, but whose form varies relative to the design. In the individual fonts, the appropriate glyph is the default form; in the BibLit font, the Latin glyphs are privileged, and the Greek and Hebrew forms are accessible only in applications that support OTL Language System tagging.

I have put the Latin etc. slides from my presentation online here:

http://www.tiro.com/John/SBLBibLitSlides.pdf

The Latin design is in the Dutch oldstyle tradition, with the weight and proportions designed to harmonise with the Greek. Common uppercase letters are the same for both scripts.
         

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Posted by: Midres1
         

Thanks again John.

The combination of Latin, Greek and
Hebrew characters on slide 6 appears well balanced to my eye in terms of
"weight". 

One question leads to another... so
here is one more:  The letters with subscripted dots (for Hebrew
transliteration) on slide 2 reminded me that dots are needed for all characters
to indicate uncertain letters
in papyrus editions. Are there any plans to that effect? 

Dieter

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Dieter, there will three
  fonts:

SBL Hebrew
SBL Greek
SBL BibLit

The last of these
  is a superset containing the Hebrew and Greek along with the Latin, critical
  apparatus sigla, etc. The reason why the separate Hebrew and Greek fonts are
  also available, and recommended for most text setting in those languages, is
  that there is very limited application support for language-specific glyph
  substitution. There are some common Unicode combining mark characters that are
  used in more than one script, but whose form varies relative to the design. In
  the individual fonts, the appropriate glyph is the default form; in the BibLit
  font, the Latin glyphs are privileged, and the Greek and Hebrew forms are
  accessible only in applications that support OTL Language System
  tagging.

I have put the Latin etc. slides from my presentation online
  here:

http://www.tiro.com/John/SBLBibLitSlides.pdf

The
  Latin design is in the Dutch oldstyle tradition, with the weight and
  proportions designed to harmonise with the Greek. Common uppercase letters are
  the same for both
  scripts.

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
I have not included precomposed diacritic glyphs with the subscripted dot for Greek, but I have included in the SBL Greek font OpenType GPOS mark positioning for the combining dots (U+0307 above, U+0323 below), and these are positioned relative to the Greek letters in accordance with the transcription practice (i.e. centered optically on the letter width and at a uniform height).
         

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Posted by: da_ja_re
         
Not really any new question here - just a comment. And that is thank John Hudson for making the PDFs of the slides available. I am smitten! The fonts are gorgeous, and I hope we'll be able to put them to good use soon.

Any idea what sort of development period we're looking at for SBL BibLit Italic? and are there plans for bold weights as well?

Thank you!!

David Reimer
Edinburgh
         

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Posted by: John Hudson
         
The italic fonts will definitely be completed this year. Hopefully in the first half rather than the second.

Bold and Bold Italic have been discussed, but are not included in the currently contracted work. With regard to these, and other possible future work, please see the new discussion I've started on priorities for future work:

http://groups.msn.com/SBLFonts/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview;=1&ID;_Message=428
         

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